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>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. and the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, james comey's testimony electifies washington. britain's snap election upends the government. and laurie metcalf and chris cooper star in the broadway play that leads the tony's nomination "a doll's house, part two." >> i don't believe that you are angry, that you're in it, that you are inside the feeling of feeling angry. i think you're just outside of it looking at it-- oh, there's some interesting thing! you don't act! constipated! ( laughter ) >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following:
>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> it's fun to play. >> is it luck at all or is it something else? >> i had to really get serious. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. this was the week the former director of the f.b.i. went before a senate committee and accused president trump of lying and attempting to derail the russia investigation. britain's ruling conservatives were shocked by an unexpected defeat at the polls. and the golden state warriors set a new record with 15 consecutive play-off wins after taking the first three games of the n.b.a. championship. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> commanding a spotlight entirely his, james comey turned it on to the president. >> and i was honestly concerned
that he might lie about the nature of our meeting and so i thought it really important to document. >> british police have named the three men who carried out the deadly nazdaq london. >> deadly attacks in iran. >> isis is claiming responsibility. >> our relationships with russia are at a very low point, and they've been deteriorating. >> bill cosby in court. he arrived for the first day of his trial with his tv daughter by his side. >> russia embarked on a campaign to interfere with our presidential election, which was unprecedented. >> the president attacking his own justice department trying to make the case for his travel ban. >> is it a travel ban? >> i don't thin i don't think tt you call it. >> the woman accused of leaking classified n.s.a. documents once called president trump "an orange fascist" on twitter. >> for just the 17th time in baseball history a player hit four home flains game. >> the man in this video pulling
a snake out of a gas pump says it was no big deal ♪ impossible >> this is best thing i've ever seen accomplished on a water slide. comes peeling out thereof. >> wow, is all i can say. >> emotions were raw at the one love manchester concert ♪ one love >> less than 24 hours after the terror attack in london, the sound of musical harmony rose in manchester. >> love conquers fear and love conquers hate. ♪ one love, one heart >> rose: we begin this week with the senate intelligence committee's investigation of russian influence in the 2016 election. testifying under oath on thursday, former f.b.i. director james comey accused president trump of lying to the american people about why he had been fired. and the president's personal lawyer released a statement accusing comey of both lying about what president had said to
him and leaking privileges communications. the credibility battle threatened to overshadow the larger issue of how russia attempted to influence the presidential election. >> there should be no fuzz on this whatsoever. the russians interfered in our election during the 2016 cycle. they did it with purpose. they did it with sophistication. they did it with overwhelming technical efforts, and it was an active measured campaign driven from the top of that government. there is no fuzz on that. it is a high-confidence judgment of the entire intelligence community, and the members of this committee have seen the intelligence. it's not a close call. that happened. that's about as unfake as you can possibly get, and it's very, very serious, which is why it's so refreshing to see a bipartisan focus on that because this is about america not about any particular party. >> so that was a hostile act by the russian government against this country. >> yes, sir. >> did the president in any of those interactions that you've
shared with us today ask you what you should be doing or what our government should be doing or the intelligence community to protect america against russian interference in our election system? >> i don't recall a conversation like that. >> never. >> no. >> director comey, did the president at any time ask you to stop the f.b.i. investigation into russian involvement in the 2016 u.s. elections? >> not to my understanding other no. >> did any individual work for this administration, including the justice department ask you to stop the russian investigation? >> no. >> director, when the president requested that you-- and i quote-- let flynn go--" general flynn had an unreported contact with the russians, which is an
offense. and if press accounts are right, there might have been discrepancies between facts and his f.b.i. testimony. in your estimation, was general flynn, at that time, in serious legal jeopardy? and in addition to that, do you sense that the president was trying to obstruct justice or just seek for a way for mike flynn to save face, given he had already been fired? >> general flynn at that point in time was in legal jeopardy. there was an open f.b.i. criminal investigation of his statements in connection with the russian contacts and the contacts themselves. and so that was my assessment at the time. i don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation i had with the president was an effort to obstruct. i took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning. but that's a conclusion i'm sure the special counsel will work towards to try to understand what the intention was there and whether that's an offense. >> director, is it possible that as part of this f.b.i.
investigation, the f.b.i. could find evidence of criminality that is not tied to the 2016 elections, possible collusion, or coordination with russians. >> sure. >> do you believe that you were fired because you refused to-- to take the president's direction? is that the ultimate reason? >> i don't know for sure. i know i was fired-- again, i take the president's words-- i know i was fired because of something about the way i was conducting the russia investigation. of, was in some way, putting pressure on him nsome way irritating him, and he decided to fire me because of that. >> rose: shortly after the hearing i spoke with a member of the committee, senator angus king of maine. >> i think the important thing, charlie, is somewhat obscured by all the attention to whether or not there was some kind of cooperation between the trump campaign or what did the president say to mr. comey.
to me, we can't lose sight of the fact that we're talking about a direct attack on american democracy by the russians, a very big deal and a very important one because it's not over. there's no reason to expect that they're not going to be back trying to interfere in our electionelections in 2018 and 2. so that's why a series of the questions at the beginning of the hearing from chairman burr and others were to establish that this is important, and there's no doubt that it happened. i think-- i love director comey's phrase "there's no fuzz" on this question. we know the russians did it. we know it came from the top of their government. we know it was sophisticated. and we know they're going to stay and try to do it again. i think that's a very important part of today's hearing and, you know, only there were other very important parts, including his interactions with the president, but we can't lose sight of what this is really all about. >> rose: let me ask you this-- do you you think the president of the united states, donald
trump, knows that the russians hacked and tried to influence our elections, that he agrees with that? and agrees with the seriousness that you just suggested it has for the united states and the future? >> i don't know that, and it's a very disturbing part of this. if you'll recall there was a question from senator marchian-- did the president ever quiz you on this? did he ever express any concern about it? did he ever ask you the ramifications? and the answer was essentially no. there were nine conversations, none of which were, "hey, what are the russians doing here, and what can we do about it?" that's very worrisome to me. >> rose: is it relevant that the president, if he did in some way try to impede an investigation into what the russians does of did and what help they might have had from an american? >> well, it's-- it's certainly a
relevant part of the inquiry. and i think that's become the kind of fourth piece. remember it's did they interfere in the election? yes. did they try to go after state systems? yes. was there a relationship of some kind between the trump campaign and the russians? we don't know that. that's the investigation. and them the fourth piece that's developed since the election and that is was there some effort on behalf of the white house or the president to-- you used the word "impede" or curtail the investigation? the ultimate conclusion on this will probably be drawn by the special counsel, mr. mueller, when he has all the answers in terms of the interthat the f.b.i. is doing. >> rose: did you believe director comey's testimony today? >> yes. and it's based upon my experience with him. unless i see evidence to the contrary, jim comey has a lot of credibility with me. if the president-- if there's other evidence that he wasn't telling us the truth, then we need it. let's see it. let's have it. if there's any other kinds of
corroborating evidence that what mr. comey said isn't true, i'm-- you know, i'm willing to-- certainly willing to listen and have an open mind. but so far, i haven't seen anything that contradicts mr. comey's version of event. , of course, those contemporaneous memos, as you mentioned, have also some strength. and again, it's important. he didn't write those after he was fired. he wrote them while he was the head of the f.b.i. and thought he was going to be there for the next six years. >> rose: the high drama in washington continued at a friday afternoon press conference. president trump told reporters he was 100% prepared to testify under oath that he never asked james comey to let the flynn investigation go. and there elect more to come on this next week with certain administration official dues on capitol hill for hearings and meetings with investigators.
we turn to mike allen, cofounder of axeios. mike, this seems to be a declaration by the president that he's prepared to meet this head on. >> it's a declaration of war, charlie, in both words and manner. we saw that continued today with the president's willingness to go under oath. and, charlie, i can tell you, topic "a" around here is, are there tapes? >> rose: yes, indeed! >> i can tell you there's a lot of speculation that the fact that both in the statement yesterday by the president's lawyer when he flatley denied saying something that comey said the president said-- that is, asking for his loyalty. there's a suspicion that there's not tapes. does the president really want to get into a fight with the former f.b.i. director if there are tapes? whereas, comey, of course, is saying, "i hope there are tapes." and if so, i give my permission
to release them. t me go through who will be up next week. the attorney general will clearly be there. he's coming before the senate intelligence commit, right? i'm asking. >> yes, he's going to be going before a budget and appropriations subcommittee. so that's why it's the-- it's the funny, even boring, ministerial topic. but now high drama because he absolutely will be asked right from the top about the russia probe. >> rose: and when will jared kushner be called? >> at the moment, the agreement is just to talk to staff. so this isn't even a closed hearing. there's no guarantee that we'll see him in public. but the point, is he's conversations are continuing. and then i think next week soon we may also see the intelligence officials that we saw last week. so here's the thing, charlie-- this is why for amongst, even years, the president is going to be living with this. and the real peril for the president is one thing we know about federal investigations-- and charlie, you've covered so many of them over the years--
one thing we know about them, they take time. they don't rush. and here's what the people in the white house worry about and why they worry about mueller more than comey. a federal investigation never ends where it starts. >> rose: mueller is likely to end up with the tax returns, will he not? >> i would be shocked if he doesn't. he might already have them. >> rose: there is political news elsewhere. great britain went to the polls against gwen this week. this time it was a snap election called by prime minister theresa may in an attempt to increase the conservatives' parliamentary majority. it did not work out that way, driven in part by a large youth vote, the conservatives lost their majority and must now form a coalition government. for more we turn to roger cohen of the "new york times" and gillian tett of the "financial times." >> well, essentially, theresa may scored her extraordinary own
goldgoal. and what you had really were the three things happening. first, the millennials came out in force and had a howl of protest, like what happened with bernie sanders last year. secondly, you had a lot of the professional people who were against brexit who indicated their unhappiness as well because they wanted a vote for a much more open form of brexit. one of the most telling moments of the whole votes, kensington chelsea, a typically conservative bastion, is so close to call because so many people voted for labor we don't yet know the results. >> it's gone to labor. >> it's gone to labor, has it? >> first time ever. >> extraordinary. that is basically international people who aring with they saying we want to remain very much a part of the european union. and in addition to that, you had the youth vote, anti-establishment, if you like, almost freedom party, the people who wanted to have more
independence, not going for theresa may, essentially splitting between labor and the conservatives. >> rose: and interestingly, some people that we know in british politics lost their seats. alex salmons from scotland and a couple of others that don't come to mind right now. was it the-- the vote-- millennials-- the vote about brexit? did you think manchester and london, those terrorist attacks made a difference? >> i don't think they made a huge amount of difference in the end, charlie. but this is a huge setback. really a humiliation for prime minister may. >> rose: because they were expecting, like a 100-vote majority. >> that's why she called for the snap election. she was initially for remaining in the european and and now she's leading the brexit. and she said she couldn't call a snap election and she did. the conservative party was completely unably to benefit from the collapse of the far right party.
it collapsed. and the big setback for the scottish national party in scotland because that, as gillian suggested, was completely offset by a tidal waves of young people, millennials, who want think and disruption at any cost and prepared to vote for the radical leftist that jeremy corbyn is. >> rose: apple is a brand built on cutting edge design. its new corporate headquarters is no exception. the complex where the brains-- the architect he chose to design it is lord norman foster. >> he called me out of the blue, directly, and said, "hi, norman. i need some help. can you come over? how quickly can you get here?" >> rose: yes
>> and i was there a few weeks later. and what was going to be an hour's meeting, two hours' meet, just took over the whole day. it was total immersion. >> rose: immersion in what? >> in really steve's vision for his project. and he described the materials-- stone and glaz-- the california landscape of his youth. and together we talked about that. he talked about the citrus groves, the fruit bowl of his youth. i suggested that maybe those could be incorporated into a landscape. he loved the idea. and then we went to pixar, which in many kind of ways, was different but was relevant to the conversation. so it was a very intensive day. >> rose: now, people who know him well say he married almost uniquely art and technology. >> i'd say that was a pretty good description. he was, in a way, totally about the future, focused-- shortly
after he passed away i had to present the scheme to the top 100 in apple. my opening image air force quote from steve, "don't think of me as the client. think of me as a member of your team." and he was creative. >> rose: and then we now have what's called "the circle, yes or "the ring--" i'm sorry-- "the ring." did he talk about that idea of the ring? >> no. what is kind of below the surface was the way in which the project evolved. the circle came relatively late in the process. and the circle emerged out of a dialogue between his perfect vision for something called a pod, which was essentially a team space with monastic-like
cells on the side so that the individual could have a degree of concentration, but there would be the communality of the team space. and at one point, there was this crisis. we could not reconcile the ideal interior with the ideal exterior. and then ceend of click, the circle came. it was one of those eureka moments. but it came out of a long process. it wasn't an immediate one-liner. >> rose: i want to show some photographs and you'll recognize them. >> ah! that is the 1,000-seat presentation theater. and it is a disk, a carbon fiber disk, floating, without visible structure. the glass drum is the structure. so structural glass. and everything kind of hidden in those joints. so, really, doing more with less. >> rose: next slide. >> these are the eyebrows, the
canopies. they're extending the interior space out into the landscape. you can see they're highly reflective. so that green landscape is being mirrored into the space. above, they're acting as light shelves for many areas of the facade, shading, reducing glare, but giving's kind of unique identity to this building. >> rose: why only four stories? >> the building is about communication. it's described as a very large building. but i call it a exact building, because if you think of the original campus, 26 buildings, you dissolve them into one. everybody is under one roof. this is great for creativity, for communication. and you can link vertically and horizontally. seats a very friendly building. >> rose: the annual tony awards will be presented sunday night, and the play with the most nominations, eight, is "a
doll's house part two." it's a sequel to the 1879 classic "a doll's house." the new play begins where the original left off, with a once-dutiful housewife walking out on her husband and three young children. i spoke with lucas nate, sam gold, chris cooper and laurie metcalf. she plays the wife who returns home after a 15-year absence. >> i've always loved the play, and i'd seen it in many productions. and i mean the first thing that came to me was the title. i just thought that was an audacious title for a play-- "a doll's house part two--" and it wasn't until i started writing it that i had to get serious and get past the joke of the title and really consider what does it mean to revisit the story. >> he has a very clever method that brings her back. and so what's fun for the audience is to find out what's made her come back after 15 years of silence. no communication at all. >> i raised your kids.
you should be coming in here first words out of your mouth should have been, "thank you, anne marie. thank you for abandoning your own life and your own child and raising mine so i can go off and do my little thing!" >> and also what's she's been doing in those 15 years. >> rose: what the audience wants to found out is how they react to her coming back. >> that's right. she has to come face to face with the aftermath of what she did. >> rose: how does torval see her? >> as a completely changed person. he doesn't recognize her. >> rose: is he surprised? >> oh, i think he's-- i think he's dumbfounded. >> rose: he thought she would go off and drift into nothingness. >> i think he was convinced that she was-- she's still living. but her outcome, what's happened to her, i'm sure he has no idea. >> rose: sam, is part of this play not only how they react to
her but how she reacts to them? >> yes, you have an amazing-- it's an amazing surprise, right? the door slammed in 1879, and since then we've all been wondering what happens-- what happens to norma. it's a fun exercise. so for this play, you have all this build-up, and excitement about what-- what's going to happen when she comes back? what are beam-- are people going to flip out? are they going to welcome her back with open arms? what is she here for? and over the course of the play you get a series of, you know, little meetings between her and the important people in her life, where you get-- you get the surprise of finding out how they treat her and how she treats them. >> here's what's new for your weekend: lindsey buckingham and christie mcview, one half of fleetwood mack, release a new
album of duets ♪ love is here to stay ♪ >> the red hot which i lipeppers, chance the rapper, and lourdes headline the performances at bonarou in tennessee. and tom cruise and sofia botello open in theaters nationwide in the summer thriller "the mummy." and here's a look feherty week ahead: sunday is the presentation of the 71st annual tone awards at new york's radio city music hall. monday is theidate international economic forum of the americas openopens in montreal, canada. tuesday is the first day of the international summit on borders in washington, d.c. wednesday is the day president trump celebrates his 71st
birthday. thursday is the first day of the u.s. open golf championship in michigan. friday is the opening of the 50th monterey pop festival in monterey, california. saturday is the day the 2017 merkz cup race begins in hamilton, bermuda. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:
>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin with continuing coverage of president trump. he held a joint press conference with the president of are you mania today and addressed the testimony of former f.b.i. director james comey to the senate intelligence committee yesterday. and we talked to jonathan karl of aives who was at that press conference. >> when his lawyer yesterday responded to the comey testimony if the president's lawyer but also the president would accuse comey of lying and, if so, would the president be willing to sit down under oath and give his version of what happened in those conversations that he